It is definitely a leap forward and I can commend that, but my intention is to observe them from the angle of execution not intent. I probably am thinking too deep into this but I just can’t help but analyze something that I think is great but not perfect. Regé-Jean Page is departing the Netflix global sensation “Bridgerton” ahead of Season 2, which is going into production this spring. Once that fails and George is revealed to be dead, she’s ultimately left nowhere as a character. Bridgerton is more diverse than other historical pieces set in Regency England. As a businessperson I’m sure you’ve come across papers/critical reviews of works before and this is what that is. But the point m I’m making is that it’s not just about taking a character and changing the color of their skin to be commended for diversity. Liam Daniel / Netflix Feb. 26, 2021, 4:09 PM … Bridgerton wants to have Black characters while handwaving the reality of racism. They don’t fall in love or have any visible family members. They could’ve done that one after party scene with her being drunk instead of Violet and Simon helping care for her to show some more love in their relationship. If you want to look at it as not being diverse.... You can do that but I don't think it's accurate perception. In fact, that’s why I said “tokenism” in the beginning because there’s traces of it there without being outright in your face. I was hoping we would get a glimpse of some “multidimensionality” with Will and his wife but their plot ended up being really inconsequential as it was kind of shoveled in last minute. I would have definitely been more interested in that. Just as you were explaining it, it became clear that Marina’s story and her trauma just became a gateway for Daphne to both find resolution and still be the “white savior”. The queen gets glimpses of character development throughout the season but she doesn’t go through much transformation in the end (hopefully we see it in season 2). Marina saying “I never would have known about George if it wasn’t for you”. The single black mother character is such a bad stereotype. Bridgerton is an American streaming television period drama series created by Chris Van Dusen and produced by Shonda Rhimes.It is based on Julia Quinn's novels set in the competitive world of Regency era London's ton during the season, when debutantes are presented at court.Bridgerton is Shonda Rhimes's first scripted Netflix series. She is cold and unlikeable with no other side to her being explored. These are luxuries that essentially every woman, besides these Black women, enjoy (besides Will’s wife who has like four scenes). I mean, none of them even get a happy ending! They have made changes, and even if we end up in the same place as the books it doesn't mean we are all going to agree. I completely agree with everything you’re saying. Bridgerton review: Netflix’s romantic period drama is an utter joy. (Benedict and Colin), 1 is white (Anthony). I feel as tho they definitely dropped the ball with her character but hopefully she comes back next season for some kind of redemption. Thank you for such a great response. I am not grading Bridgerton nor am I classifying it as being either good or bad, I am simply analyzing it. Bridgerton diversity Entertainment entertainment news Netflix New England Cable News January 11, 2021 Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tumblr Pinterest Reddit VKontakte Odnoklassniki Pocket Skype Messenger Messenger WhatsApp Telegram Viber Line Share via Email Print Please see our rules for further info. I guess that's why these discussions are happening. Of the three other "romances" we see 3 … This sumptuous Regency-era series is here to cheer us all up. I have to say, I was underwhelmed. It’s the same stereotype you would see in any modern tv show no matter how much you like the character. The females are creative, courageous, intelligent, and honorable. Daphne being black should really have no effect on the show because it is about romance and black people fall in love just like every other race. I don't feel like black women have just been token characters. We're not asking for these characters to be pure and perfect, we're asking them not to continue damaging stereotypes and using poc characters as tools. I think that we can still like the show and the characters while recognizing that some stereotypes and social expectations are still being reinforced. Snoop Dogg is bringing his wisdom to The Voice: The rapper will serve as Mega Mentor during Season 20 of the NBC musical competition series, it … I think that the criticism of Marina’s character is really valid. I just binged the show after a failed first attempt at watching, bc a podcast I respect mentioned a significant plot twist at the end. I’m not sure that I agree, but I’m absorbing it nonetheless.”. Like why don’t we see her being occasionally soft like Violet Bridgerton? So you have the Queen, Lady Danbury, Marina, Genevieve Delacroix (and Will's wife) - all black women/characters, different backgrounds, ages, occupations, wealth etc. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. If we’re dissatisfied with the representation, then what kind of representation did we truly get? And there worst excuse I hear is “well there’s just no time” or “it’s not accurate” when we’re dealing with a fictional world! I hope so. I have read several of Julia Quinn’s fanciful romance novels. These are questions to which we never get answers. The Queen and Danbury Having power is essentially irrelevant because in the end power doesn’t make them multi dimensional. Press J to jump to the feed. When focusing on Marina getting a HEA it's about the reality that for most black female characters it's rare a thing for that to occur. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. We can love the show for what it does good and critique it for what it does bad. Regardless, to go into that is muddy waters and could really be it’s own discussion. && for Simon's father to be a dark-skinned black man that was abusive, where Simon and his mother are both light-skinned, is colourist and damaging. I am examining the presence of black women in the show and their overall roles in the plot. "Are there no good black men?". Tokenism in relation to black women relate to things that you see white women experiencing that black women don’t such as desirability or loving families. They are tokenist because although their statuses are different, they are still “strong black women who don’t need no man”. As for the diversity, I think I remember seeing were very few Asian characters throughout the show but I’m sure people have already commented on that topic ad nauseam. The only way I see fixing this to your satisfaction is to have Daphne be played by a very dark skinned black woman. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Just wanna express how incredibly excited I am to see an ASIAN as a MAIN character. I think we’re making progress, but it’s important to recognize that there are still limits so we can work on moving them. That shows more self-awareness than the silly “nuh-uh, look at alllll the black people what are you talking about?” responses. She refuses to get married however she can’t take care of herself on her own. The main characters are Daphne and Simon. But now that you’ve brought it up, I wanna know about it. What are the queen’s goals now? Well, well, well. The whole second episode is her being soft with baby Simon. Just because someone is rich or have status doesn’t mean they aren’t still a stereotype or servant to the plot. This doesn't seem to be about diversity, but the concern that the call for diversity is causing people to discuss and advocate for changes in canon. Regé-Jean Page as Simon Basset and Phoebe Dynevor as Daphne Bridgerton in "Bridgerton" on Netflix. When they first introduced her as being super desirable and charming, it was like “Oh, a challenger has arrived!” She could’ve been Daphne’s competition and filled Cressida’s role with the Prince... but instead, they chose to reinforce negative stereotypes and went with the unplanned pregnancy route in order to expose the Bridgerton girls’ naivety with respect to how babies are made and then later as a “scandal” to bring Daphne and Simon back to London so they could have their respective maternal figures guide them toward resolving their marital dispute. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them. I should say that I like the queen very much but once again she is undesirable. I’m not backing OP bc I share their opinion, per se. In Bridgerton, you have 4 of the major households black (Simon's, Queen, Danbury, Will's). Reddit LinkedIn WhatsApp Email ... as the society’s diversity is explained by a storyline within the show. compare to indians born in India - they're the same race/colour but different cultures and experiences. and you feel they're just token characters? I only see the struggles of a woman in a time period where toxic masculinity and patriarchy were dominant and I am pretty sure that was the main story the show was telling. && yeah, they could have made Marina a well-rounded character, but they made her a villain in Penelope's love story with Collin. One thing Bridgerton does do wonderfully are with their poc characters the queen, Simon, and Lady Danbury. Even Granville has layers to him that get explored in increments that are important to the plot, however minor they are at first. Much like the minstrel characters of black women you see in the late 19th / early 20th centuries. However it does not mean it is above reproach. What drives Lady Danbury? Like why don’t we see her being occasionally soft like Violet Bridgerton? Marina is desirable up until her character creates social suicide and her “complexity“ as you’ve described still leads the character no where. These are all women with moral dilemmas who are struggling to make change their circumstances and for the most part they do. This show would be the perfect medium for expansion. It’s about what you do with them as characters beyond just being black. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. She essentially has no arc. I am alienating the story from the underlying context of the characters in an attempt to explore the racial implications of progressive pieces such as this. She is introduced very strongly but after a while we notice that she is never explored outside of being the “shamed pregnant” woman. He is an artist who we learn is gay and wishes he could be with his lover. It can't possibly be held accountable or a magic touch for the past wrongdoings of American culture and history. I think it would’ve been a lot harder for the general public to accept a darker skinned black man in those sex scenes with a dainty and super pale Daphne. A stereotype in one country or culture doesn't mean that other countries have the same stereotype. They are minor characters. I COMPLETELY understand why people wanted more for her. What has been interesting in this post is seeing how blindly people expose themselves in terms of their social awareness. I think Regé is a very beautiful man and did a great portrayal of Simon, but I also recognize that part of his success in this role is because he has a lighter complexion. Wealth, lust, and betrayal set against the backdrop of Regency-era England, seen through the eyes of the powerful Bridgerton family. You have Marina, who is desirable, and not just strong but also shows heartbreak - first when she thinks that George doesn't want anything to do with her, then when she finds out that he died, she shows she wants love and the best for her child when she goes after Colin, moments of weakness when she tries to end her pregnancy, and later explains to Colin why she tried to trick him - she's not just a strong black woman, she's quite complex. As for Lady Danbury, I love how strong and esteemed she is... but I can see how the portrayal also reinforces the “strong, sassy black woman” stereotype. I just want to comment to say that I hear you on this, as a Black woman I was a little dissatisfied and felt the diverse casting was little more than surface level. (Queen and Danbury). Representation matters. I only ask that you hear me out and read to the end before you comment cause this is gonna be long: DISCLAIMER: I should start by saying that I think having BIPOC people featured in the show was GREAT and I LOVED pretty much all of the characters, but I couldn’t deny that there was definitely some tokenism going on in here: Now I can only speak for myself, but me and my friends (all Black women) discussed this show, and we all agreed that it was nice to see Black women taking center roles at first, but after a while we picked up on some very “tokenist” vibes. They could have definitely had many girls of different races in important roles instead of making them background characters or “the example of what you don’t want to happen to you”. Many feel so very progressive that they even watched the show, and that they accepted the racial diversity without judgment (big pat on our backs!). Married to King George III (who is portrayed by James Fleet on the series), Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was Queen of the United Kingdom from 1761 to 1818. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of what they want to see in the show, whether it's sticking to the books' story line or changing it up. The do not exist apart from everyone else’s drama. Nicola Coughlan claps back at haters who criticized the diverse, inclusive cast of ‘Bridgerton,’ via Twitter. "Bridgerton" is the story of families clamoring for improved social standing in 1813 high-society London. Even when she is “undesirable“ it is only because of her brother’s interference, nothing of her own doing. The black male (Duke) has a higher rank than all the white males. US is 13% black. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. is different from seeing from, for instance, UK's p.o.v. very well put it's about how we choose to see the diversity. All that you’ve mentioned about them is in the past, but what are they doing now? I think it’s okay to be appreciative the inclusion yet still want more from the representation. I know they are not the main characters but I think you could have cut one of Daphne’s and the Dukes MANY sex scenes to develop some of these characters even a little. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them. https://youtu.be/zYPB5nJV3h8, More posts from the BridgertonNetflix community. Thank you ! In the beginning she is introduced as a foil to the featherington girls however she wants to be with George. It's all about perception. Season 2 was given the green light on January 21, 2021, which was confirmed by the show’s official Instagram account. A good example is the Queen who we get glimpses into, but never really see a development. But the reality is the series is not an exact replica of the books. It’s not just about representation, it’s about what these characters symbolize and if they communicate a bad message or are essentially just the “help” to white protagonists, then it’s not really progressive. Just the fact that we’re willing to watch season 2 means that we like the content yet still are looking for improvements. Hi I’m also a black women and I think you might like this video I saw on YouTube. They have made changes, and even if we end up in the same place as the books it doesn't mean we are all going to agree. So you're saying wanting diversity and representation is totally fine except when it's not in line with your ships and the book stories you like? Based on Julia Quinn's bestselling "Bridgerton" novels, chronicling the eight Bridgerton siblings as they find true love in British high society in the 1810s, Season 1 … There have been many criticisms over the historical inaccuracies of the costumes in “Bridgerton,” as well as questions over whether Britain in the 1800s was as diverse as the show’s casting. Yes these are side characters and no I don’t expect them to take up the majority of plot, but when characters are given ample screen time, I expect them to have some semblance of a formative arc. When you boil it down, Marina is still basically the black single mom who got knocked up and left (before you realize he’s dead). They go about this through courtship and marriage (and by attending many balls). heck we see absolutely no Asian or Latino characters AT ALL but there is hardly as much discussion about it. “We put black people IN the show. Being aware of the importance of representation and not falling into any typical tropes. What can we learn about Diversity & Inclusion in the Netflix series “Bridgerton”? I am a foreigner so while I am exposed to the dominant pop-culture since infancy and feel I can recognize the toxic perceptions that come with it, I may not always see through it as well as you do. England is 3% Black. Renewed for Season 2! Now either way I think she is an amazing character and I love watching her, but I think she should get some soft moments as well like Eloise does. I’m happy that just seeing Black people in a period piece was enough for some, but there is a season 2 coming, which means plenty of opportunity for Shonda & co to push even further. But I just can’t ignore the fact that Daphne gets to be the “perfect” one who is the most pure yet desirable, sexy yet innocent with all these complex qualities and yet Marina who could have had the most engaging story just doesn’t do anything. Basically best person cast. They simply pointed out that there’s still room for development. I can empathize with what you’re saying. Either way, the point I’m making is not “more black characters”, the point I’m making is more “diverse/feminine black characters”. There are only 2 lead roles left to be cast after Kate- Sophie and Lucy if we get there. Lady Danbury acts as a Mr. Miyagi if you will but with no other description besides “she always says what’s on her mind to your face” because of course she does, that’s how older Black women are always portrayed. I sometimes feel like people forget that the american view of poc experience/history/culture isn't world view, especially when it comes to a show set in regency England with britsh actors and shown in over 190+ countries. Her character was used to progress two white character's storylines. First the show/book/this season centers around, Daphne, Bridgerton family and Simon - they are the main characters. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. Yes. I believe I can appreciate the work and enjoy it while still examining the implications being swept under the rug. She’s just removed. Diversity in Bridgerton (here for it!) Bridgerton, whose massive wave of popularity is showing no signs of subsiding, is now Netflix’s biggest series ever by a wide margin.It pushed down to … Like for instance when I watch this show I do not recognize or see a problem with Marina or a poc being a single mother. Lady Danbury is indeed a strong character, and from what I understand she's alone because her husband is dead, but we also get to know that she hasn't always been that strong person, that she had to work to become the woman she's is now. In essence (no pun intended), making the entire cast black is not really the point because it isn’t about “color”. They won’t change sir Philip as he’s already been in it and there was a photo of him and Eloise together. And if you had Simon be played by a white actor then people would be complaining because how come the black woman is marrying a white man. I truly wanted to know about them. Renewed for Season 2! I don't find the queen just cold and unlikeable, she has her goals, she's bored, she's commanding since she's the queen, and we get to see her softer side, a bit of her personality when we find out about her husband, the king and him probably having dementia, her true feelings for him with them being friends who become husband and wife - they truly loved each other and then had a great loss - their daughter. For the most part, the Black women in this show are either insignificant to the overall plot of the story or fall into the “undesirable/unlikeable/unattractive” bunch. The other households are Featherington, Bridgerton and Cowper. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. Diversity & Inclusion in the Netflix series “Bridgerton” The series, the first on Netflix produced by Shonda Rhimes, pushes back on traditional notions of class, race, gender and sexuality. Now while you may think “who cares about being likable or attractive” just think of how Daphne the heroine is portrayed. No, I am saying it is not mutually exclusive to want and have diversity and still keep the storylines. I was expecting her to have her Cinderella moment but she basically stayed in the cellar the entire time. From race to incels, the modern "Bridgerton" twists hold a mirror up to today's shortcomings Showrunner Chris Van Dusen spoke to Salon … What I am doing is trying to analyze this story as someone would analyze Shakespeare, Dickens or Wilde. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. American poc viewers may see Marina as a stereotype black single mom, which may not be the case, for instance, for the britsh audience or the rest of the world, where single moms stereotypes are more about class, being poor, than race. As for your point about it being diversity not uniformity, that just kind of proves my point. Would they be more sexy? does not mean the show doesn't merit discussion around diversity and how it can be improved, but most of the points in OPs post don't really seem rational. The story primarily revolves around them. They’re all right where they started. We don’t see their pasts or their range of emotions. How does she feel about being locked away for so long and losing her relationship to Colin? Also; why did her father send her away? I know the diversity of the cast has been celebrated in this show, and rightfully so, but it should be stated that while it was good intentioned, it definitely still has its issues. It’s not until she’s forced to seduce Colin that she actually makes progression towards anything. What you’re saying about Asian representation is also absolutely true. Renewed for Season 2! Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. More posts from the BridgertonNetflix community. Doubling down on her response, Nicola even retweeted a … Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The solution is to not see color, but to acknowledge the negative impact of racist actions has had on those affected, and work towards making things better. No. But people who jump to defend something that isn’t under attack are not as “woke” as they believe themselves to be. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. In Bridgerton, you have 4 of the major households black (Simon's, Queen, Danbury, Will's). This really disappointed me because I liked their relationship and wanted to see more of it. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Created by Chris Van Dusen. Ginny is a “side character” in Harry Potter but she’s not a token White girl. Marina on the other hand is a victim who ultimately just acts as a burden to the featheringtons. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. I don’t really know how I could further explain this because it really runs so much deeper than just having more than one black female character. Bridgerton Season 2 Release Date ‘Bridgerton’ season 1 premiered in its entirety on December 25, 2020, on Netflix. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. Why can’t we have nice things? I see what you mean about perspective but that’s not what I’m talking about. None of the black women really experience this. Discussion. (World) 82 million households tune in to watch Bridgerton – one of Netflix’s biggest ever series. They continue to play the same roles over and over with no room for growth. Regardless, I feel it necessary to reaffirm that my post isn’t a complaint, it’s an analysis and essentially it seems like you’re just telling me to “be grateful Black people are in this at all”. Also, I think diversity seen through US p.o.v. What was the breaking point of her trying to induce an abortion? 'Bridgerton' star Nicola Coughlan claps back at critics of the show's diversity The show, which debuted on December 25, is projected to be viewed by … Contrary to popular belief, Black people are not happy to just be “invited to the table”. The story didn’t even bother explaining to us where she’s going. But the reality is the series is not an exact replica of the books. Prior to … The first season consists of eight episodes with a runtime of 57-72 minutes each. I’m not wishing they were more powerful, I’m wishing they were more human. 2 actresses to provide representation versus the 7 actors that are white. We’re totally being inclusive because we love diversity! During the 18th century, London had an extremely organized subculture of gay men meeting at private events to socialize and sleep with other men. As for the Queen and Lady Danbury, this is why I said the story gives us glimpses but ultimately shies away from going any deeper. Even when she is shamed, or disliked, most characters eventually turn around and see how wonderful she is. As I’ve said, I like the majority of these characters and believe they were both casted and acted well. They contain entertaining and sympathetic stories about the economic and social pressures on gentlewomen of early 19th century Britain. Her resolution was also super unsatisfying because of how grim and loveless it was... and this is a romance series! If he was playing Berbrooke, the show would still be diverse but would it be as impactful? The point is that these Black women are all merely plot devices for the story and act as either supporters or antagonists to the main characters. It can shape and reinforce cultural beliefs and attitudes about race and ethnicity. The other households are Featherington, Bridgerton and Cowper. Interesting how that perspective never occurred to me. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. It’s about making distinguishable characters that are unique and engaging. Would they have children (who are alive and are seen on camera). It’s better than nothing. I also do not believe for one second the show was aiming to show that a dark-skinned male should or could be villainized. Unlike with the diversity and feminism in Bridgerton, this aspect of the show wasn’t very embellished. While “Bridgerton” is a fictional spin on Regency London, the 25-year-old British actress pointed out that some of the show’s Black and multiracial characters mirror real historical figures. Renewed for Season 2! Not complaining. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. They then use her to be a reflection for Daphne to learn from. But having the two major characters in the show be played by black actors would have changed the whole dynamic. Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tumblr Pinterest Reddit Skype WhatsApp Telegram Viber … Either way there were plenty of moments that could have been taken from Daphne’s and the Duke’s sex scenes to flesh out other characters. Diversity Recruiting – What it is, and What isn’t I can understand your point about the demographic implications of having an all black cast but movies/productions like Black Panther and Hamilton prove that it can be done well and still be successful. Be grateful! Weaving them into the plot to make them necessary while slowing peeling away their layers. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. OP didn’t complain. They don’t change over time or get explored in a light that doesn’t fall into the “strong Black woman” trope. Thank you, I am not American, and I find it unfair the discussions always end up around the race and not the storyline or journey of the character while the show is obviously trying to be more diverse and inclusive. Diversity, Costumes, Set! I can respect your opinion but I do believe there’s a space between having a big storyline and just being monochromatic side character. Chris said it wasn't color blind casting but color conscious casting. I do suspect this will come in future seasons but I’m not too sure. We are on your side, now shut up! Because the porn industry has infected media, that’s why. Please see our rules for further info. We are having discussions and there is nothing wrong with that. [Editor’s Note: The following contains light spoilers for Julia Quinn’s “Bridgerton” series of novels, elements of which might wind up in Season 2 of the show.] Just the fact that you said the whole show would change if Daphne was Black proves that “color” is always part of the conversation even when it’s not. Would they be more gentle? It was a quiet week on the TV Awards front, with the calendar largely going dark after the March 24 Producers Guild of America Awards, where many of … Yeah it's sad when people are killed because of their race, denied jobs because of their race, are not given prompt medical treatment because of their race, are assumed to be less educated, or criminals because of their race. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. The Netflix hit departs from the homogeneous casting of most period drama, imagining a 19th-century Britain with Black royalty and aristocrats.
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